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Women Fighting on the Front Lines

In feminism, military on 29 September 2008 at 2:30 am

Australia is seriously considering changing the rules for front-line combat. Instead of making that decision based on sex, they’ll be making that decision based on qualifications. This change ought to pass, and probably will.

Keeping women from the front lines is one of the last bastions of chivalry. It’s one more practice that pretends to value women while devaluing them by disregarding their choices, encouraging weakness, and fostering cowardice.

Despite what a long way we’ve come, there are two things women can’t do: fight on the front lines and be ministers of God. There’s a connection there: women aren’t kept from the front lines because of gallantry – that’s only a guise, a sincere one, maybe, but a guise nonetheless. Deep down, those who want women away from the front lines are also the ones who view the military as a kind of army of God, and infantry as soldiers of God. It’s a priestly role, and that’s why women have been denied it.

And that’s exactly why they should have it.

Christianity and Feminism, Part 3

In feminism, religion on 20 September 2008 at 12:35 am

Women can’t be priests because women weren’t disciples. Right?

To this, New Feminist could reply by arguing that there were women who acted as disciples, blah blah blah. There are some good arguments to be made there, in re: Priscilla and Junia and so on, but let’s skip it and cut to the chase: this whole claim is arrogant.

What, so suddenly the very same people who whine that “if Paul wanted us to take context into account, shouldn’t he have, like, spelled that out for us really clearly and in little words?” – suddenly, these people have no problem figuring out exactly what Jesus’ interior monologue just must have been when he selected disciples: “Judas, no boobies, OK; Martha, good candidate, but boobies, next; Matthew….”

If there were really some mystical difference of essence between men and women that unfitted women for the priesthood, then you’d expect that God and men would be closer in that mystical essence than women. But no… the Bible repeatedly refers to God using feminine parallels and metaphors, and most theologians wouldn’t think twice about asserting God’s nature to be neither masculine nor feminine.

So essentially this disciple bit boils down to: God is both – and more than – male and female, but only men can represent God ’cause I like the male stuff better. Also, I know exactly what Jesus was thinking.

And that is why NF calls this line of thought arrogant – and dumb.

Christianity and Feminism, Part 2

In feminism on 18 September 2008 at 8:48 pm

Let’s re-state the stakes: Christianity is the West a powerful force. It is often a force antithetical to full equality of women with men. Lamenting that is useless; trying to ignore, change, or breed contempt for Christianity is also useless and often counter-productive. Feminists, whatever their beliefs, should hunker down and pay attention, not to the weeds of inequality, but to one of the big roots: stupid interpretations of the Bible. -This series, then, is not so much meant to delve into the details of each argument -of which there are very, very many – but to give feminists some knowledge of debates that influence feminism’s progress, but which feminists don’t usually talk about.

In Part 1, we looked briefly at Phoebe, the woman minister that Paul spoke of with approval. Little attempts to shrug this off by huffing that Paul does not “use diakonos in conjunction with words which connote greatness or divinity” (Silent Women), as if not being maybe the world’s greatest minister meant that one isn’t a minister at all, are patently stupid and self-serving.

In Part 2, New Feminist takes on the famous dictum of Paul that women shouldn’t teach, or speak in church. How can these two statements be reconciled with each other, and how can the second be reconciled with Paul’s firm statement that there is “neither woman nor man … you are all one in Christ”?

Craig Keener in Paul, Women, and Wives -among others – argues that Paul’s concern was over women’s ignorance; not being allowed access to the Torah (if Jewish) or to read at all (if, well, alive back then), women were hardly equipped to talk without interrupting the service, let alone teach. In other words, Paul is talking about how to handle a local situation – the man is writing a letter, after all, not a gospel. This fact does raise a problem for some, however: “If this … was what Paul was referring to, who could imagine that Paul would not choose words that would allow us to know what he really meant?” (Silent Women). (Yes, it is puzzling that Paul expected us to be able to think … in retrospect, Paul’s biggest mistake.) As Keener points out, the clue here is in the fact that after Paul says that women should not talk in church, he adds that they should learn the answers to their questions at home. In other words – learning about scriptural matters is A-OK for women; the problem here is not women meddling in scripture, but women’s ignorance, an ignorance that can and should be remedied.

Let’s just lay it on the line: Paul’s statement that women shouldn’t teach is explainable (see also some arguments based on the Greek text) – his bald, casual, unconcerned mention of a woman minister isn’t.

Further, drawing the line between teaching and talking is fine work indeed. The most Bible-thumping of hearts positively dotes on the sight of women teaching impressionable little children about the Bible, as Elaine Storkey points out. Women teaching women … women penning and singing Christian songs, whcih inevitably have a theological bent … women missionaries … all, somehow, just fine with everybody.

Lucy Maud Montgomery has a charming story called “The Strike at Putney” in the collection Against the Odds in which the women of a church invite a noted missionary to speak. The men forbid it as “being in direction contravention to the teachings of St. Paul.” The women strike, and when asked why they won’t cook for the church, clean it, etc., they simply reply, “If a woman isn’t good enough to speak in a church, she isn’t good enought to work for it either.”

Next up: NF will take on the idea that women can’t be ministers because they weren’t disciples.

Christianity and Feminism (Part 1)

In feminism, religion on 17 September 2008 at 3:22 pm

New Feminist kicks off its series on Christianity and feminism by reminding its readers (all two of them – hello, whoever you are!) that the ordination of women is biblical.

Not only biblical – sanctioned by Paul.

“I commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is a servant of the church in Cenchrea,” he writes. The important word here is “servant” - diakonos in Greek. When used of men in the New Testament, it generally gets translated as “deacon” (thus the origin of the word) or “minister.” Used of Phoebe, it gets to mean “servant.” Ri-i-ight.

One of the greatest forces keeping people from the truths of feminism is Christianity, so-called – therefore, one of the greatest forces leading people to feminism can be, and should be, Christianity, rightly called. Recognizing that Paul himself approved of women ministers (and that women were ministers for the first several hundred years of the church and not banned until the sixth century), is an important first step.

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